Howdy,
later
At 11:24 PM 8/17/97 +0000, Melle wrote:
>Hello All,
>
>Yes, we have reached the end of the game already and it is a
>mayor DRAW between 7 players and 6 powers. Only Russia got
>eliminated.
Finally. I did enjoy the game though.
>First of all: Time I think the deadlines were too long, and
>for example we couldn't find a replacement when Steve got on
>holiday for a month, we had the nasty 'William C Stein' lamer
>who, I was told later by judge-folks, jumps into any game he
>sees and than goes abandonded, and than I went on a month
>holiday myself, when I was back, nothing went right and I even
>lost the position due to a diskcrash.
I agree that the deadlines were too long. That is one of the
major reasons that I kinda lost interest as the game wore on..
>2. Not that much of a problem, but Vaughn (RI) quit at some
>early point because the interest in the game went away because
>his interesting suggestion of proxy orders got SHOT DOWN instead
>of that people kindly told him that they thought it was not a
>good idea. The incident brought some shadow over all the
>players, I think. I blame myself a bit for Vaughn quitting,
>maybe I should not have allowed the harsh mails towards him and
>maybe I was not that kind myself either, and I should have
>canceled the discussion earlier. Alot of players liked the
>proxy idea from Vaughn, myself included, but some didn't.
I think that allowing proxies is a good Idea.
>3. NMR's. This was a big problem the whole game from spring 1902
>on. If one player didn't issue any orders, than two powers
>actually holded all their units. If two players NMR'd, chances
>were there didn't happen anything noticeable anywhere on the
>board at all.
IMO, this was the biggest flaw in the game.
>4. Winning conditions are simply not that good. When a player
>reached 15 centers (as Cory did), his co-workes simply
>'blocked' all armies of the countries of Cory because if he
>went on to 18, he would have won. This 18-14 centers to win was
>really a great strain on the game.
The 14 wasn't as bad as the 18. I think you should eliminate the
solo win conditions all together.
>There had been suggestions for all these problems, and as
>told by all of you, there still is interest for the gameconcept.
>Some of you want to join into a second "doubledip" game. I
>like to GM another game for sure!
I would like to observe a second game.
>4. Other minor(?) suggestions and ideas and noticed cave-
>ats by players:
>-another distribution of powers among players.
Although I didn't think there was anything wrong with the pairings
as they were, I think using a random distribution would work, or
even another set of pairs.
>-do not allow more than 12 units per power.
I do not see any reason to do this
>-let a move-order go over a hold or support-order.
I like this idea. It might even solve the NMR problem. You
wouldn't be hosed by your partner missing the deadline, but if
he really wanted to, he could order bogus moves for the units..
>-My co-ruler doesn't understand my true intentions.
This is one of the fun things of this variant..
>-I need a more dedicated player to play for power X
>-Please throw away co-ruler X for power X when he doesn't
>submit any orders (NMR) and let me get my friend in his position
>-The game is not winnable.
Yes, the game is winnable, I almost won solo with out trying to and if
Turkey/Germany would have stuck with me one more season, I think that
we could have won with Turkey.
>-The game IS winnable, it's just real hard just like the
>original.
Definitely--maybe just a little harder.
>-If this goes on, this will be my first win with Italy!
:)
>-What is the use of diploming if my partner doesn't submit
>orders and stalls our country?
Allowing a move order to override a hold/support order may do something
to help this..
>-Oh no! Now it seems I misordered that on purpose!
>-I know all the orders of all powers this year. I think I'm
>getting a headache.
>-I want to make sure my partner doesn't support with the
>unit in Belgium. Is it possible to make an illegal
>support that will cancel out a support he may enter?
Don't make an illegal support order, just move the unit that
you think he/she will support with..
cory